There comes a time in every old browser’s life to pack up shop and, well, fuck off. This time has come and gone for IE6.
The game’s up, IE6
IE6 was was released on August 27 2001. Over seven years later, 42% of global users are still browsing the web with it. This worries me. It’s possibly the worst “modern” browser out there, with a broken box-model, no support for PNG alpha transparency, lack of support for pseudo classes, no min-height support, a nasty flickering background bug, and at least seven ways to crash it with one very mundane line of code. To say it’s unstable is an understatement; to say it makes the job of a web designer difficult is even more so.
What to do, what to do…
To-date, us conscientious web professionals have gathered and used a toolbox full of workarounds (better known as hacks!) that help smooth out the wrinkles. But supporting this beast has only masked the issues and reduced the incentive for those 42% to upgrade. It’s like putting a plastic sheet on your child’s bed instead of telling him drinking before bedtime might not be a good idea. It’s like painting over cracks in a wall instead of getting it fixed. It’s like hiring an SEO instead of just building your site the right way from the start!
So I’ve decided that those backwards enough to not get with the times are not those I want to impress, or even visit this blog. I’ve decided to support the early adopters, the innovators and those in the know. I’ve decided to not worry about how badly this site will look in IE6. And most importantly, I’ve decided to be a lazy bastard and not bother with the hacks! Who’s with me?
53 Comments
Dear IE6, die pls ktnxbai! If you need further proof, check my blog with that excuse for a browser.
Posted by David Rice at 12:17 pm on 29 January, 2008.
Try tell that to your clients though.
They don’t need 42% of business.
Posted by Robin at 12:19 pm on 29 January, 2008.
Dave, I won’t look at your blog with it if you don’t look at mine!
Posted by Eoghan McCabe at 12:21 pm on 29 January, 2008.
That’s true, Robin. This particular approach will only work in certain cases. But there’s different levels of cross-browser support. Where budget is restricted, I have no problem suggesting a focus on “the main browsers” and accepting that it won’t look perfect in the others. The doesn’t mean it won’t work and it doesn’t mean you’ll lose business from that 42%.
Posted by Eoghan McCabe at 12:25 pm on 29 January, 2008.
Congrats Eoghan, I said that before at a conference and was left well… scrubbing myself trying to get rid of the dirty feeling. It is something you have to do for mass market sites, but I completely agree with taking a stance on your personal site.
Posted by Conor Wade at 12:33 pm on 29 January, 2008.
Eoghan, it’s a deal. It all depends on who your target market is, for me IE only makes up 11% of viewers.
Posted by David Rice at 12:40 pm on 29 January, 2008.
…and then there’s the decision makers. These guys are the ones who will sign the PO, pay the invoice, make recommendations to their peers who will in turn sign the PO, pay the invoice and so on…
Unfortunately - these guys don’t give a shit about early adopters, IE6 flaws, designer’s pain… They don’t even know that different browsers even exist.
These guys ARE the IE6 users, and YOU NEED THEM on-side.
Posted by Marcus Mac Innes at 1:24 pm on 29 January, 2008.
Our prayers have been answered.
” Microsoft issues advance warning of automatic IE7 upgrade”
http://www.heise-security.co.uk/news/102235
Posted by webguy at 1:37 pm on 29 January, 2008.
Dear Internet Explorer 6 and earlier,
Fuck Off, you backwater, useless excuse for a tossing web browser. You have made my life as an Internet designer a living hell. You have conned millions of people around the world into believing you are adequate for the task at hand mainly by preying on the average user’s inability to be technologically savvy.
You are a coding abomination and a security whore. I will no longer support you, in the very fashion that you refuse to support common web standards and common sense. If this means that a large percentage of users will not be able to see the designs I create properly, then so be it. They will have to take the time out of their busy lives and educate themselves to better alternatives.
It is high time we were no longer forced to use GIF images in lieu of the far superior PNG format, among a host of other things. The year is 2008 and we have more important things to worry about than reworking our designs simply to make them work for you. Your days of being a high maintenance Madonna are over. You are the only web browser on earth for which should spontaneously combust, leaving behind very real ashes for me to not only jump up and down upon, but also piss on afterwards.
The programmers who have wasted a part of their lives creating you deserve to be thoroughly bitch slapped, and then to have my size 12 boot rammed into their spleen for bringing a Frankenstein monster such as yourself to life.
Nobody shall mourn your death, and we shall hold a double funeral with a closed casket for Netscape.
Sincerely,
Darian Knight
Posted by Darian at 2:02 pm on 29 January, 2008.
As much as I’d like to snub IE6 permanently, as Marcus says, it’s not commercially viable to do so. I really think, as professionals who cater to a global audience, we need to be patient and watch IE6 slowly die before we can stop designing for it; for the sake of our clients more than anything else.
Then again, you could always organise a world-wide amnesty whereby every professional designer on earth would stop catering for IE6 by a certain date. If you get the majority of Web designers to buy into it, you can be sure that it will have a knock-on effect whereby the general public will move to Firefox, Safari, etc very quickly. A nice fantasy! :o)
Posted by Ken Stanley at 2:28 pm on 29 January, 2008.
The way to get the “check writers” to agree with you is to scare the hell out of them. Tell them that IE6 is a security threat. (Let them think it is a security threat to their web server if need be…) In your HTML use conditional comments to send a special message to IE6 users - “your browser is a security threat, please upgrade…then give them a link to FF.”
The “check writers” have a way of letting you do stuff when they think they might get hurt otherwise.
Posted by Jeff at 4:08 pm on 29 January, 2008.
Sounds to me like yall should join the movement.
http://www.stopie6.org/
Posted by Vector Therapy at 6:43 pm on 29 January, 2008.
We should just take a stand and have every conscientious web-developer out there insert some simple line of code that sniffs out IE6 and produces a big, fat “GET A NEW BROWSER” graphic with a link to Firefox.
Similar to how the “upgrade Flashplayer” thing worked, but different.
Posted by Nate at 6:49 pm on 29 January, 2008.
i don’t care anymore either. at least on my private sites.
Posted by Marcus Scheller at 10:37 pm on 29 January, 2008.
It is not by far the best browser out there, it does deserve some credit though. I know it is one of the most annoying browsers to code for, but as a developer who has been making websites for years now, it isn’t as bad as what it used to be like. Remember NS4? Need I say more.
IE still has some cool coding features within it, just the way it implements them isnt the best. Firefox is definitely the browser of choice for me, mainly for its security and the following of the box-model.
I think IE would be a better browser if all sites did start fully adopting the standards as it would make their job easier to change the rendering engine in IE. Microsoft cannot and will not simply just change the rendering engine to simply follow the standards, they know of their mistakes but as there are so many sites out there which have been coded badly would “fail” if they changed to the correct rendering model.
Microsoft is a victim of their own success in my own opinion. They have grown too fast along side their mistakes, now they cannot change direction as fast to suit consumers. Whereas, open-source projects are fast to react and everyone can give a helping hand.
Furthermore, I would actually like Microsoft to better Internet Explorer and improve on its mistakes with it. The browser shouldn’t die, it should be made better! The reason why I say this is because it promotes healthy competition (*cough* I know its Microsoft) keeps the Firefox team on its toes for example. The only downfall to my comment is that Internet Explorer comes pre-installed, Firefox doesnt.
If we get stuck with Firefox for example, where would all of the fresh ideas come from? Ok, I did mention open-source, but a massive company has the money to invest in new ideas and technologies and might be able to produce something at a faster pace than the open-source communities.
I would find it funny if someone could disagree with me! IE is actually needed.
Posted by Adam at 11:22 pm on 29 January, 2008.
Yes damn those people who don’t study the differences between browsers. So what if they just simply want to perform tasks on the internet, they should ensure they use the best browser possible to check their stocks!
Nevermind that it might be difficult to learn the new interface, or that they could care less what browser they use, or how pretty the site can be with PNG support…
The web’s population is much more USER than DEVELOPER. Ignoring IE6 is ignoring USERS.
Posted by RJ at 3:32 am on 30 January, 2008.
How I wish it was that easy!
For some sites like blogs etc you could get away with it but you will NOT be able to get away with it with a business who relies on these low tech people for business.
Posted by Jermayn Parker at 3:46 am on 30 January, 2008.
I’m with you. I don’t support IE6 for my blog. But for my clients, i do … Unfortunately
Posted by digiboy at 6:59 am on 30 January, 2008.
I agree with all of you and considering on the Jeff’s comment.
Posted by An Jay at 6:59 am on 30 January, 2008.
If only we can snub IE6! But there was a time when tables and GIFs were cool. Stop being a hater.
Posted by Dennison Uy - Graphic Designer at 2:44 pm on 30 January, 2008.
The longer web designers and developers continue to go out of their way creating workarounds and hacks to ensure things work in IE6, the longer the damn thing will exist - it will stay because it’s possible to support it. It’s simple really. Refuse to support it and encourage those people who think it’s good, to at least upgrade to IE7 or better still Firefox or similar - then it will start disappearing!
Posted by Mike at 1:05 pm on 31 January, 2008.
I am with U
Posted by Raveesh Nagpal at 4:19 pm on 1 February, 2008.
Just developing drop-down menu. Guess what? IE6 doesn’t support :hover pseudo class for anything than link! Nice? Very easy to do a workaround, without any proprietary IE6 nonstandard thing. So what’s the next problem? Menu should drop-down over content frame. Can’t get this s*** working for more than one week!!! I think I will not take care of IE6.
Posted by Kokesh at 6:16 pm on 2 February, 2008.
Hey Ireland. Well done on the rugby - just.
Reading the comments - what whores we are when it comes to business. Is this what capitalism has reduced us to. Come on all you web designer proles take a stand. At least on your personal sites. Spread the effort into the rest of your life too. For example. Spend the extra buck on the chicken that had a good life before getting it’s head lopped off rather than the big savings option arse burnt off watery misery that sat in shit with hundreds of its neighbors. We’re all lazy ***ards. We need to do - in all areas - rather than talk or intend. ARGH! More beer. More beer.
Posted by Scotty at 1:52 am on 3 February, 2008.
I do all the front end work on 100+ magazine sites and haven’t used a * in my css in quite some time. If IE can’t do it then I explain that it wont look the same in IE6 (usually just first-letter type stuff), but other than that, IE6 messes up just about the same as Safari / FF for Linux, etc.
Posted by Steve at 4:38 am on 3 February, 2008.
Best browser ever: http://www.jisto.com/?j=ylv73
Posted by Scotty at 5:34 am on 3 February, 2008.
I was just talking to one of our developers about this today and I can’t figure out why web companies have not filed a class action lawsuit against Microsoft. We have spent significant developer time (= significant $$) just researching and implementing hacks to make IE6 behave relatively normally. Unfortunately the vast majority of our visitors are arriving in this cluged together, backwards, dune-buggy of a browser.
Posted by Blue Monkey at 5:55 am on 3 February, 2008.
Do what MS does: HAve you r site display an error that syas: You are using IE, this site can only be fiewed in firefox. Pelase downlaod the latest version frmo ehre:
http://getfirefox.com/
Put your traffic($) where your mouth is or shut up already.
If you dont want IE6 on your site, then block it. Set an example for the rest of us.
Posted by Ryan at 7:38 am on 3 February, 2008.
I personally use IE6 because I don’t give a damn about what your pages look like.
It’s the information a care about, and IE renders text paragraphs just fine.
If you designers do not like it, then you may just go and kill yourself.
Posted by foo at 10:30 am on 3 February, 2008.
I’m with you dude.. I’m with you
Posted by Sifar at 11:43 am on 3 February, 2008.
I’m with you on what a pain in the ass it is, but thankfully my customised WP theme didn’t take much of a hack for IE6. There are too many people still using it for me not to spend a few hours figuring it out.
It would’ve only been a few minutes if I were in any way accomplished with web design, but teaching yourself from scratch takes longer.
Hope you’re well, Eoghan.
Posted by David Airey at 12:28 pm on 3 February, 2008.
“I personally use IE6 because I don’t give a damn about what your pages look like.”
Or your browser’s resource usage, security, general capabilities..you apparently don’t care about a lot of things if you are still using IE6.
Posted by Aiden at 3:58 pm on 3 February, 2008.
42% of people use IE because the websites look good in IE. They don’t care about developers. So, if websites stop looking good, they’ll try to find an alternative. Ergo, stop using IE hacks. I’ve stopped using them a while ago, and noone’s complaining. (Well, it helps to know how to write sites that look good in any browser, without hacks; although I’m not saying it’s possible 100% of the time).
Posted by Ghassan at 3:00 pm on 4 February, 2008.
People still use IE6 because upgrading to IE7 is a ridiculously complex and time consuming process, especially if you are using a copy of windows that can’t be authenticated.
Microsoft made it difficult because they wanted to combine the upgrade with anti-piracy efforts by making a targeted effort to reduce the usability of their software by restricting upgrades. Perhaps in connection with the then upcoming release of VISTA.
I understand their desire to reduce piracy, but jacking with the user experience to do it….not so much.
Posted by Joseph at 5:09 pm on 7 February, 2008.
Uh, April 2001 is not over 7 years ago .. the prelease versions were that long ago, though.
I’m with you though. I’m steadily ramping up my aggresiveness in simply not supporting IE6. I do believe that after Feb 12, after giving the update a few weeks to take effect, I’m just going to stop testing with it at all and let the chips fall where they may.
To all the people whose technologically challenged bosses don’t want to stop: use MS’s obsoleting of IE6 as your excuse. The upgrade is in a “security” update, so say you want to discourage IE6 for security reasons. Play up that angle as much as you can, and you should be able to ram it through ..
good luck everyone. Can’t wait for the day when we can all just forget about that fucking piece of fucking SHIT browser which has wasted SO MUCH of my fucking time.
Oh and I’m not supporting some stupid special tag in IE8 either!
Posted by hk at 1:12 pm on 8 February, 2008.
WHUG ….. IE6 ……… it’s like a bad dream that you can’t get rid off. One can only hope IE8 will come here soon and point out that people are using an ‘7 year!’ old piece of software/(dare I say shit? , oops I just did!) for their browsing.
The stupid part is, Microsoft isn’t making it any easier by disallowing multiple browser versions on you OS. I tried the multi IE install, but the rendering is not accurate.
Posted by Dav-IE-H@ter at 1:20 pm on 8 July, 2008.
What do the IE developers at Microsoft smoke? So far they’ve done a fabulous job of producing absolutely worthless excuses for web browsers.
As far as IE8 is concerned, I tried the beta version, it looks OK. But after looking at Microsoft’s futile efforts at creating software that actually does what it should, I have lost all faith.
Shame on you Microsoft!
Posted by Anand Kulkarni at 5:35 am on 19 August, 2008.
I got bollocked by a client for building a “broken” website. They were using NT4, IE5, and Flash 4.
I tried to tell them that this was their problem, and that their technology was the very bottom of the barrel. They told me that their administrator had left 4 years ago with all the passwords, and they’d forgotten to get them, and hence had not upgraded anything.
I looked out across their sea of desks at all the sick Dells, and at those poor secretarial ladies walking down a wall of paper files and gardening them.
They were a division of the British Government. I told them, “don’t fire me, I just fired myself.”
Posted by da bishop at 1:30 pm on 12 September, 2008.
IE6 is the least popular browser in use today. It’s not the least widely used yet, but it IS less popular than Firefox.
Can I afford to drop support for IE6? Hell yes! I have ages ago. I’m not crashing them, plaguing them with popups, or kicking them out. I’m just politely displaying big flashy ads for proper browsers on every single page.
Beware, some BAD crawlers will impersonate browsers.. But if they’re going to pretend to be human, then they’re going to be treated like a bandwidth-sucking, IE6 using human was treated - like living sewerage.
I do not code a single hack for IE6, ever…. Sometimes I even make XHTML sites (for personal projects) with no text/html version. (Although in the last thing I did, I included a stylesheet for IE6 and a “create some html5 dom elements for me” script).
Do I even support IE7 or IE8? IE8 definitely not. I watch it with interest, but the javasc…no.. The JScript in it is hugely broken against the standards, other browsers and earlier versions… So IE8 is in the too-hard basket right now.
IE7 , on personal sites? In a word, no. I don’t go out of my way to block it, but I’m not going to be converting any XHTML to HTML for IE7 in a personal project any time this century, either.
IE6. Am I dropping it? Hell yes. I did it in 2007, and I bet I wasn’t even close to being the first to do so.
Bear in mind, if you ARE in it for money, 1% of the internet is a massive number of potential customers. If your product is GOOD, then INTELLIGENT people will be buying it. These people will probably understand if you don’t support a browser that came out before the first Ipod. They will probably understand if you no longer support a browser that came out before the fall of the Twin Towers. They will probably understand if the site looks a little dodgy in a browser that was released before the first Nintendo GameCube. Hey, if these people really are that intelligent, they’re probably not even using IE6.
How many stupid people work at Microsoft? Seriously now, very few if any. How many idiots work at Google? Again, very few if any.
And how many Google or Microsoft employees use Internet Explorer six for their every day browsing? How many of them can’t afford to buy luxuries online? How many of them surf the internet without being computer literate?
ZERO to all of the above, I postulate.
So, if your site must support the minority browser IE6 to survive, then maybe the time you normally spend on developing websites for IE6 could be spent improving your product (which intelligent people are apparently not buying, based on the two case studies above.)
Posted by SneakyWho_am_i at 4:33 pm on 12 October, 2008.
Well we stopped supporting IE6 for our blog and did a popover that tells the user to upgrade :)) . I even made a website to detect the users browser and crash it if he’s using IE6, it’s http://crashie.ajaxmasters.com . I’m with you on this as you can see, i’m glad more developers are willing not to support IE6 anymore at least for their websites.
Posted by Chocksy at 10:30 pm on 10 January, 2009.
I wish I could punch IE6 really hard in the face and watch it bleed and cry.
Posted by owain at 1:29 pm on 20 February, 2009.
google mail never worked in IE6 either.
Posted by da bishop at 9:04 pm on 11 March, 2009.
Yes! This is EXACTLY the tactic I announced on my site about a week ago. After struggling with css and IE6 for several hours I thought “Screw it. People still using IE6 are probably not the sort of people I’d want on my site anyway”.
It’s all very well these people who say “Oh but we can’t just cut 42% of customers out”, but there has to come a time when the web is allowed to move on, and as long as you all appease people too stupid to upgrade the less the web can progress.
Posted by Steve at 5:20 pm on 14 March, 2009.
Use this code… http://code.google.com/p/ie6-upgrade-warning/
Posted by Paul Russo at 4:14 pm on 4 May, 2009.
…when o when will we be released from this terror… It’s taking me fucking twice as fucking long getting css right in FUCKING IE6!!! Shouldn’t we just ignore IE 6 users…? Isn’t this the everladting discussion… Professionally seen, impossible…
Posted by Musacha at 3:21 pm on 25 May, 2009.
Well, I’d say that if you’re going to support IE6, go ahead and support BBS and DOS too.
Those 42% of users still using it… if the browser is that backwards… what’s the rest of the computer like? Hope you’re not planning on putting any confidential data through that.
this 42%, how is it measured? Which users? Is this measured by network hours, or by unique IPs? I think that user-time is a bit more important. Heavy users count for more than very light ones (who can’t/won’t surf). These stats are much like hits vs uniques. You could get a very misleading picture.
A website is like an OS, it’s the designer’s decision to choose where to make it backwards compatible, the choice is between features and market size. These days for a software app, the backwards compatibility is a matter of months not years.
I remember when I dissed the imac for having no floppy drive. I seem to also remember that I put my last floppy in the drive around about the time that the imac came out.
Funny thing is that time flies, the future gets here pretty quick these days, and the past really does drift off. Some idiot engineer was trying to tell me that I had to drop the features to make the site compatible with netscape, and it all had to be done with s rather than proper CSS. I said “find me a copy of netscape which will run on intel OSX, and I’ll let you do it”. I hired somebody else.
We’re dealing with a lot of aging users. Are we talking 42% of which users? What test were they running? Is this Google? Some W3C test site? Where are these users? Lots of 3rd world countries are packed to the gills with free-international calling can’t afford a sheet of paper so I got a Pentium 1 PC type people. They do outnumber the US and European people, India and China have about half of the world’s population packed inside their borders, most of them are not running 24 inch imacs. Most of them have very bad english to go with the bad browser.
When making a site, one should really ask: Who are your users? What do they want?
As far as I’m concerned anybody rocking IE5, IE6, or even experiencing the odd glitch in IE7 is gonna get what they deserve. If it’s a bit wrong, that’ll just be par for the course for them, they’re used to it. They don’t like their PC, they probably don’t know how to attach a file to an email in hotmail, don’t know what a folder is, are worried that the hackers will steal their bank details from facebook, have more spyware and adware than MacAfee’s labs, dirt stuck to their mouseball which makes them shout and swear, a 15 inch CRT screen like a goldfish bowl with the start bar cropped off, mainly use their PC to write letters which they lovingly print out and sign, and altogether they don’t really really count online.
Posted by da bishop at 12:16 pm on 26 May, 2009.
You forgot to mention the “input, select, textarea, and embed” always have a higher z-index than anything else bug too… oh wait the embed one happens on IE7 too
Posted by tommed at 11:15 am on 15 July, 2009.
IE 6 is like a ugly whore, It’s just there when you can’t have the best chicks
Posted by nrsphrt at 11:28 pm on 16 July, 2009.
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Posted by Elgin Stafford at 9:11 pm on 6 August, 2009.
I HATE IE
Posted by Ewoudt at 7:10 am on 2 September, 2009.
I am with you, this sorry excuse of a browser made our lives hell, boycott this crap!!!
Posted by Fennec at 2:59 pm on 23 September, 2009.
I’ve been building sites for 10 years now. It’s Microsoft that’s the problem- with its monopoly marketing techniques and lazy programming. IE6 is just its last legacy…remember IE5?
I don’t support it any more.
I quote to build a site and then spend 50% of the time getting it to work in this piece of shit.
I would love to know who still uses it. W3C Schools still puts it down to 10% of users, I hear the US Gov. departments are still on it, which in no was effects my UK market bit swing the percentage dramatically.
IE6 forget it, the sooner developers drop support the sooner it will be gone. Otherwise it’s going to drag on for years.
What I do now is give my clients the choice, if they want IE6 support, it’s another $280.
Seems fair.
Posted by Fred at 8:48 pm on 9 February, 2010.
I think we all agree with this one!
Posted by Andrew at 3:55 pm on 24 February, 2010.
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